I really enjoyed this movie for the most part. It opened my eyes to a whole new idea about how people are treated. It makes me realize just how un-civilized we can be. I know I try VERY hard to treat everyone with respect, sometimes it is hard I will admit but this film has made me realize just how important and necessary it is to treat everyone with respect. I don't understand why we have to "label" relationships as same sex relationships or transgender relationships. Why can't they simply be called relationships? I also wonder what "normal" really is. Is there truly a "norm?" Why can't we just forget about being normal and accept people for who they are? I know when I get into the teaching field, I want there to be a zero tolerance policy in my classroom, I know this will be hard but I will try with all my might to maintain it. I want my students to be proud of who they are and not have to hide their "true selves."
Soldier’s Girl This movie opened my eyes a little more. I do not think about this subject. I do not have it in my life and it is not in my family. I was familiar with the story that goes along with this movie. I was pleased to see how they portray the airborne infantry soldier. They had their behavior down pat. The Infantry soldiers treat newbies like whale poop and the drinking and cussing in the barracks is exactly how things happen. This occurred in the 2 Battalion 502d Infantry Regiment at the 101st Airborne (Air Assault) Division, Fort Campbell, KY. It is located about 40 miles southeast of Nashville, TN. It was difficult for me to grasp the concept of a group of Infantry soldiers going all the way to Nashville to drink at a “deviant” club. Nashville has many different nightclubs. There are also bars that line the street (Interstate 41A) of Clarksville (the town outside of the base) like children at a parade. It made me think that maybe these soldiers were looking for a homosexual relationship. I kept thinking that there is no way PFC Winchell does not know that Cali is a transsexual. It was also interesting to see how Cali justified to herself that Barry knew. I think that she should have told him up front, which has to be easier said than done. This is way outside my comfort zone because I am an Airborne Ranger and I was deployed with this Battalion. I use to fear having homosexuals in the Infantry. I have since learned that just because they are in a same sex relationship does not make them less of a soldier. Just like allowing women to fight on the front lines. It seemed like both Barry and Cali were very happy and enjoy a relationship not unlike the one I have with my wife. Being LDS, I have a difficult time with this matter. I was raised that men are men and women are women. We did not have gays in the small town of Clearfield, UT. Without going into how the LDS church (you can look it up yourself, (http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?locale=0&sourceId=9c672f2324d98010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD), I think that the attraction between two people and the temptation will be there. A couple of opposite genders that a relationship are to remain celibate. I got off track; I just wanted to clarify this for those who already have a preconceived idea of right and wrong. I think that PFC Winchell came into the military already being different from most infantry soldiers. It is a shame that Fisher and Glover received less than 15 years for their actions. At first, I was leery about watching this film and thought about taking the night off. However, I need to push my comfort zone. I truly enjoy this film and learning and seeing the difference in the “transgender world.” In the film, I noticed there were drag queens and transsexuals. The film followed Aristotle’s arc of drama. When I watch movies based on a true story, I like when they tell you what the characters went on to do with their lives. It finalizes the resolution for me.
I liked the movie, it did push my comfort zone a bit, but overall i liked it. After watching the movie I felt angry, because I couldn't believe people treat each other that way. I don't think it should have mattered to the other guys who Winchell was in love with its should be his choice. During our discussion after the movie, I agree with what Anthony said about if it was fifty years ago we would be discussing a racial movie, or 8 years ago we would be talking about Arabs. It does take time to get used to new ideas and new things before we can accept them. I have a younger brother who is gay and at first it was very weird and uncomfortable to see him in a same sex relationship. But after time it didn't bother me anymore and I am able to accept his relationships and be happy for him. I think this movie is just trying to show us the same thing to accept people for who they are and not what they are.
I thought this movie was done very well. I liked the script, the costumes were fantastic, and the music was well thought out. For a Showtime movie it was great. I think the point of a controversial film is to push the comfort zone and to make the audience really think about themselves and the issues. I feel like this film really did that. I have seen this film many times but this was the first time I’ve really watched it with a large group of people I didn’t know. Watching the way Calpernia and Winchell were treated was always upsetting but I’ve never been uncomfortable watching the content of this film before. Being a gay woman growing up in the LDS church I feel like I have done a lot of self work to accept who and why I am the way I am and didn’t think watching the film would bother me. But watching this movie and waiting for the discussion made me very nervous. I was very pleasantly surprised to hear what everyone had to say. I was really surprised to hear people admit that the content made them uncomfortable but that it really opened their eyes to how people are treated. People have been discriminated against for race, religion, gender and, sexual orientation for hundreds of years and I feel like we are slowly moving in the right direction. And if this film can change even one person’s opinion about the way we treat each other than I think it has helped to change the world.
This movie surprised me with how much I did enjoy it. I'm not used to the term or enviroment of transgenders, but it did broaden my horizons and understanding of them.
Being raised in a primarily caucasian society and having dark brown skin I understand being judged for being different. I've been judged and had racist comments against me for no other reason than I'm dark. It was sad to me to see the guys in Barry's group judge and torment him for no other reason than his choice of a love interest.
This also made me realize that transgender relationships are the same as any other heterosexual relationship. I honestly thought that a transgender relationship was similar to a homosexual relationship, but I learned that's its really not. It's a heterosexual relationship, simple as that.
I didn't really like this movie. For starters, it outlines why homosexuals shouldn't be in the military. People are too shortsighted to see beyond their "comfort zone". I knew people similar to Glover in my old unit, and I think they would have been capable of such a horrendous act if given the opportunity. It isn't to discriminate and prevent homosexuals from entering the military, it's to protect them against narrow-minded prejudices.
As far as the transgender relationship goes, I was never a believer that someone could be a woman trapped in a man's body. Science has evidently proved otherwise, but as far as I can tell, society will view it as a homosexual relationship simply because of the similar anatomical composition of the involved parties. It's unfortunate that it is viewed that way, but change takes time, and it's never comfortable.
I as well liked the movie, I thought it was done quite well, and seemed to be fairly realistic. I did learn some new information about transgenders, more from the web than the movie itself. I suppose to nutshell the info I discovered, I thaught that generally, trangenderism had more to do with orientation than biology. If I am to understand the research on the hypothalamis as correct, I also find it interesting that a gay man's brain is wired the same as a straight man. I don't know that we can always generalize on something as complex as the human brain or the human mind. We can however take note of credible evidence. I know that personally, my impressions, biases and predgiouses have changed dramaticly over the years, but I dont necessarily think this is the norm. Am I the only one who noticed that our discussion on this film was quite different than any of the others? I think the intent of the film was to educate the public on a couple of different issues. It looks like it did it's job due to us talking more about the content of the film than the film itself. I also think I found it as interesting to see the responses of my classmates as anything else.
I guess I could say that I learned a lot from this film, but I would say that I did not enjoy it in the least bit. I feel like I could have learned the same amount of information without seeing it on the screen. As far as the film went I could follow the arch of drama very well, in that aspect it was pretty well written. I guess I am going to be honest here, but all of the movie thus far we have talked about what made that film good such as the use of camera angles. It seemed to me that in this film we talked more about true to life issues. I can honestly say that this film was not my favorite and I would not care if I ever saw it again in my life. It is not that I didn't think the film was well written, I really just didn't like the content.
I didn't like this movie one bit, I knew the film was going to push on my comfort zone and it did a great job. I have nothing against the variety relationships, gay people or transgenders it just isn't something I am used to seeing in such a personal way. I have a cousin who he is gay but he doesn't believe in being a homosexual and I know that it is possible to live a normal happy life without changing what you believe just because society says it is okay. I agree with John, in that they aren't kept out of the military to discriminate against them but it is to protect them because there are people out there like Glover. The Airborne division and many other divisions of the military are close knit and they literally have to die for each other and people like Glover would rather have people that are different die over them, so these people staying out of the military is just a protection. I thought this movie was well acted and was a well thought out film, I also agree that if this was any given time in the past we would be discussing a separate issue whether it be African Americans, Middle-eastern or Japanese. Science is a funny thing, it has proved much to us and yet we still can't do much about it or we still mess it up. I feel bad for the children that are born intersex and the doctors have to choose which gender the child is going to be, I do believe that the parents could wait a few years and figure it out so that they wouldn't have to grow up feeling trapped inside their own body and end up having a hard life for something they can't control. Overall very thought provoking film and it raises a lot of issues for any person because in this day and age this topic is one everyone is exposed to in some way shape or form.
This film was an eye opener along with the link material. The movie from content point of view regardless was done well as far as military aspect, acting, etc. To me it was sad to see that some people will do things such as commit murder just to quell a fear or ignorance. Personally I do not agree with homosexuality, however with this film the fact that certain people are born with both sex organs are not in a homosexual relationship something I picked up on. Secondly no matter what lifestyle people live with that does not give others the right to make judgements and take their life. To me it was sad to see that portrayed in this film and I did not agree with the sentencing it should be death! Overall the film was good in content and the overall story.
strictly from an entertainment perspective this was one of the better movies that we watched. I kept my attention through the entire movie. which is more than I can say for most of them. As a social topic what a fantastic topic to come and tackle. This will open the minds up to so many, probably piss a lot of people off but it gets people talking. so many people are so close minded about things that are unusual to them and this just throws it in your face and says "this is part of life, you may not agree with it or like it but its not your place to judge it" I enjoyed the movie and the social topic it deals with. we are all human and when we start looking at each other as humans rather then black/white, gay/strait, christian/jew, male/female and start looking at the individual someday this type of thing may not happen. Unfortunetely we are a long long way from that
I really enjoyed this movie for the most part. It opened my eyes to a whole new idea about how people are treated. It makes me realize just how un-civilized we can be. I know I try VERY hard to treat everyone with respect, sometimes it is hard I will admit but this film has made me realize just how important and necessary it is to treat everyone with respect. I don't understand why we have to "label" relationships as same sex relationships or transgender relationships. Why can't they simply be called relationships? I also wonder what "normal" really is. Is there truly a "norm?" Why can't we just forget about being normal and accept people for who they are? I know when I get into the teaching field, I want there to be a zero tolerance policy in my classroom, I know this will be hard but I will try with all my might to maintain it. I want my students to be proud of who they are and not have to hide their "true selves."
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ReplyDeleteThis movie opened my eyes a little more. I do not think about this subject. I do not have it in my life and it is not in my family. I was familiar with the story that goes along with this movie. I was pleased to see how they portray the airborne infantry soldier. They had their behavior down pat. The Infantry soldiers treat newbies like whale poop and the drinking and cussing in the barracks is exactly how things happen. This occurred in the 2 Battalion 502d Infantry Regiment at the 101st Airborne (Air Assault) Division, Fort Campbell, KY. It is located about 40 miles southeast of Nashville, TN. It was difficult for me to grasp the concept of a group of Infantry soldiers going all the way to Nashville to drink at a “deviant” club. Nashville has many different nightclubs. There are also bars that line the street (Interstate 41A) of Clarksville (the town outside of the base) like children at a parade. It made me think that maybe these soldiers were looking for a homosexual relationship. I kept thinking that there is no way PFC Winchell does not know that Cali is a transsexual. It was also interesting to see how Cali justified to herself that Barry knew. I think that she should have told him up front, which has to be easier said than done. This is way outside my comfort zone because I am an Airborne Ranger and I was deployed with this Battalion. I use to fear having homosexuals in the Infantry. I have since learned that just because they are in a same sex relationship does not make them less of a soldier. Just like allowing women to fight on the front lines. It seemed like both Barry and Cali were very happy and enjoy a relationship not unlike the one I have with my wife. Being LDS, I have a difficult time with this matter. I was raised that men are men and women are women. We did not have gays in the small town of Clearfield, UT. Without going into how the LDS church (you can look it up yourself, (http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?locale=0&sourceId=9c672f2324d98010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD), I think that the attraction between two people and the temptation will be there. A couple of opposite genders that a relationship are to remain celibate. I got off track; I just wanted to clarify this for those who already have a preconceived idea of right and wrong. I think that PFC Winchell came into the military already being different from most infantry soldiers. It is a shame that Fisher and Glover received less than 15 years for their actions. At first, I was leery about watching this film and thought about taking the night off. However, I need to push my comfort zone. I truly enjoy this film and learning and seeing the difference in the “transgender world.” In the film, I noticed there were drag queens and transsexuals. The film followed Aristotle’s arc of drama. When I watch movies based on a true story, I like when they tell you what the characters went on to do with their lives. It finalizes the resolution for me.
I liked the movie, it did push my comfort zone a bit, but overall i liked it. After watching the movie I felt angry, because I couldn't believe people treat each other that way. I don't think it should have mattered to the other guys who Winchell was in love with its should be his choice.
ReplyDeleteDuring our discussion after the movie, I agree with what Anthony said about if it was fifty years ago we would be discussing a racial movie, or 8 years ago we would be talking about Arabs. It does take time to get used to new ideas and new things before we can accept them. I have a younger brother who is gay and at first it was very weird and uncomfortable to see him in a same sex relationship. But after time it didn't bother me anymore and I am able to accept his relationships and be happy for him. I think this movie is just trying to show us the same thing to accept people for who they are and not what they are.
I thought this movie was done very well. I liked the script, the costumes were fantastic, and the music was well thought out. For a Showtime movie it was great.
ReplyDeleteI think the point of a controversial film is to push the comfort zone and to make the audience really think about themselves and the issues. I feel like this film really did that. I have seen this film many times but this was the first time I’ve really watched it with a large group of people I didn’t know. Watching the way Calpernia and Winchell were treated was always upsetting but I’ve never been uncomfortable watching the content of this film before. Being a gay woman growing up in the LDS church I feel like I have done a lot of self work to accept who and why I am the way I am and didn’t think watching the film would bother me. But watching this movie and waiting for the discussion made me very nervous. I was very pleasantly surprised to hear what everyone had to say. I was really surprised to hear people admit that the content made them uncomfortable but that it really opened their eyes to how people are treated. People have been discriminated against for race, religion, gender and, sexual orientation for hundreds of years and I feel like we are slowly moving in the right direction. And if this film can change even one person’s opinion about the way we treat each other than I think it has helped to change the world.
This movie surprised me with how much I did enjoy it. I'm not used to the term or enviroment of transgenders, but it did broaden my horizons and understanding of them.
ReplyDeleteBeing raised in a primarily caucasian society and having dark brown skin I understand being judged for being different. I've been judged and had racist comments against me for no other reason than I'm dark. It was sad to me to see the guys in Barry's group judge and torment him for no other reason than his choice of a love interest.
This also made me realize that transgender relationships are the same as any other heterosexual relationship. I honestly thought that a transgender relationship was similar to a homosexual relationship, but I learned that's its really not. It's a heterosexual relationship, simple as that.
I didn't really like this movie. For starters, it outlines why homosexuals shouldn't be in the military. People are too shortsighted to see beyond their "comfort zone". I knew people similar to Glover in my old unit, and I think they would have been capable of such a horrendous act if given the opportunity. It isn't to discriminate and prevent homosexuals from entering the military, it's to protect them against narrow-minded prejudices.
ReplyDeleteAs far as the transgender relationship goes, I was never a believer that someone could be a woman trapped in a man's body. Science has evidently proved otherwise, but as far as I can tell, society will view it as a homosexual relationship simply because of the similar anatomical composition of the involved parties. It's unfortunate that it is viewed that way, but change takes time, and it's never comfortable.
I as well liked the movie, I thought it was done quite well, and seemed to be fairly realistic.
ReplyDeleteI did learn some new information about transgenders, more from the web than the movie itself. I suppose to nutshell the info I discovered, I thaught that generally, trangenderism had more to do with orientation than biology. If I am to understand the research on the hypothalamis as correct, I also find it interesting that a gay man's brain is wired the same as a straight man. I don't know that we can always generalize on something as complex as the human brain or the human mind. We can however take note of credible evidence. I know that personally, my impressions, biases and predgiouses have changed dramaticly over the years, but I dont necessarily think this is the norm.
Am I the only one who noticed that our discussion on this film was quite different than any of the others? I think the intent of the film was to educate the public on a couple of different issues. It looks like it did it's job due to us talking more about the content of the film than the film itself. I also think I found it as interesting to see the responses of my classmates as anything else.
I guess I could say that I learned a lot from this film, but I would say that I did not enjoy it in the least bit. I feel like I could have learned the same amount of information without seeing it on the screen. As far as the film went I could follow the arch of drama very well, in that aspect it was pretty well written. I guess I am going to be honest here, but all of the movie thus far we have talked about what made that film good such as the use of camera angles. It seemed to me that in this film we talked more about true to life issues.
ReplyDeleteI can honestly say that this film was not my favorite and I would not care if I ever saw it again in my life. It is not that I didn't think the film was well written, I really just didn't like the content.
I didn't like this movie one bit, I knew the film was going to push on my comfort zone and it did a great job. I have nothing against the variety relationships, gay people or transgenders it just isn't something I am used to seeing in such a personal way. I have a cousin who he is gay but he doesn't believe in being a homosexual and I know that it is possible to live a normal happy life without changing what you believe just because society says it is okay.
ReplyDeleteI agree with John, in that they aren't kept out of the military to discriminate against them but it is to protect them because there are people out there like Glover. The Airborne division and many other divisions of the military are close knit and they literally have to die for each other and people like Glover would rather have people that are different die over them, so these people staying out of the military is just a protection.
I thought this movie was well acted and was a well thought out film, I also agree that if this was any given time in the past we would be discussing a separate issue whether it be African Americans, Middle-eastern or Japanese.
Science is a funny thing, it has proved much to us and yet we still can't do much about it or we still mess it up. I feel bad for the children that are born intersex and the doctors have to choose which gender the child is going to be, I do believe that the parents could wait a few years and figure it out so that they wouldn't have to grow up feeling trapped inside their own body and end up having a hard life for something they can't control.
Overall very thought provoking film and it raises a lot of issues for any person because in this day and age this topic is one everyone is exposed to in some way shape or form.
This film was an eye opener along with the link material. The movie from content point of view regardless was done well as far as military aspect, acting, etc. To me it was sad to see that some people will do things such as commit murder just to quell a fear or ignorance. Personally I do not agree with homosexuality, however with this film the fact that certain people are born with both sex organs are not in a homosexual relationship something I picked up on. Secondly no matter what lifestyle people live with that does not give others the right to make judgements and take their life. To me it was sad to see that portrayed in this film and I did not agree with the sentencing it should be death! Overall the film was good in content and the overall story.
ReplyDeletestrictly from an entertainment perspective this was one of the better movies that we watched. I kept my attention through the entire movie. which is more than I can say for most of them. As a social topic what a fantastic topic to come and tackle. This will open the minds up to so many, probably piss a lot of people off but it gets people talking. so many people are so close minded about things that are unusual to them and this just throws it in your face and says "this is part of life, you may not agree with it or like it but its not your place to judge it" I enjoyed the movie and the social topic it deals with. we are all human and when we start looking at each other as humans rather then black/white, gay/strait, christian/jew, male/female and start looking at the individual someday this type of thing may not happen. Unfortunetely we are a long long way from that
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